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what's up

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everybody it is thursday

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um thanks for joining us today uh

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yesterday

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we had mr john greenwald and that

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was a lot of fun what's up vinnie how

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you doing man

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um yeah so that was tons of fun

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um got to ask him a lot of questions

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it's never enough time

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especially with a guy like that um he

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has so much knowledge with the foia

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process

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and actually the inner workings of the

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government in general

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so uh to pick his brain is a lot of fun

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so hopefully we'll get him back for

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uh another time so today

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uh we have a uh guest

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i've never met him before so

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i don't know how this will go but

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you know i prayed a lot today so

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i i think it'll go okay what do you

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think

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[Laughter]

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hey graham how are you doing yeah i'm

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fine

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oh pretty good yeah thanks so much uh

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appreciate you stopping by as always sir

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have you been you've been busy yeah

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proofreading your book you're done

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what's up yeah bit of that being done

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for scotland so yeah all right okay

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cool um any updates

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on when you're going to release it

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uh no just wait for the

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wait for the forward to get recommended

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yeah okay

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apparently we got an echo going on oh

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just bear with me a second i'll just

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check that no problem

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we will we don't want to look at his

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armpit that's for sure

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right i'm just kidding there he is

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uh yeah i think so that was probably

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just it

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um but yeah it's been a crazy crazy time

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and you know things have come down a

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little bit

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that's for sure um and a lot of people

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like lou

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especially has been saying there's a lot

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going on in the background and

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everything

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um obviously it's hard for us to really

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know that but

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um what do you suppose is happening is

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this dying down is it going away

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or is it more of a quiet before this

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storm type of thing or neither

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i think it's the latter i i really don't

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before the storm

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um we've had this little period that's

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sort of gone on since

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well when was it um you know end of june

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the the uap tf report came out

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um so there's not there's been very

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little in the way of releases obviously

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john greenwald's been working away in

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the background

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regarding his the other emails that he's

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managed to get a hold of

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that's been quite big news but as far as

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other things go it's been really quiet

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whether or not they're building up to

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something yeah let's see

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we've got this 90 days before this

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interim report comes out

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yeah so i think people are maybe just

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sort of biding the time

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um there may be nothing to release at

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the moment or maybe a case of you know

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how jeremy corbell basically likes to

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you know check double check triple check

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everything and he says he has

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so it might be okay it may be just a

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case of he's just sort of

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putting things out there just to keep

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actually just ready to go or immediately

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on the point of releasing something you

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know nobody really knows at this at this

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yeah that's true you know i feel like

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overlooked quite a bit even though it's

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pretty big news that

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we're about a month into it aren't we

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now in those 90 days

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so i think people are sort of genuinely

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you know sort of coming down the track

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at us i mean some people do mention it

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um but then again it's an interim report

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preliminary report we've had it won't be

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the finished article

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and it may not give it people exactly

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towards you know what we're all after

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is you know more information so yeah it

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can only be a good thing

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yeah i wonder if uh any of this is gonna

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uh public do we know that no we don't

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yeah that's the thing i'm pretty sure we

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um you know they met they may do what

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that they're being kept in the loop sort

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and then swaps phone calls to your you

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representatives but as far as the meat

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goes that'll be in the you know

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the classified part so i think you'll

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get to see that

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yeah uh well you know it just better not

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be a whole ruse for them to get this

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uap task force and then just say bye

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i'm not sure you know they can actually

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just quit at this point and i'm not sure

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they can put the brakes on it too much

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i think there's been a lot of public um

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sort of uh information out there sorry

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to give to the public

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and i think the public have been taken

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there's something to it

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um and they've been given all this

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information and they've been led to

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after this process whether or not it's

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full disclosure or something in between

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think they've been taken down a row

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which they can't then reverse back along

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uh or they can't just stop and say right

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that's the end of the road um

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they've got to see it was conclusion now

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whether or not that conclusion means

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that you know we get

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more information what the kind of things

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is a different story altogether but no i

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think they're too far down to actually

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just say no sorry we're not going any

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you can imagine the kind of outcry that

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yeah i guess i more so mean um

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an end to any sort of transparency

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regarding it so you would stop

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investigating but stop

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sharing you know yeah yeah because i

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mean they spent all they spent money and

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time on it already they've had a senator

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intelligence committee look at it

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and the final you know you've had

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senators and you've had congressmen and

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everybody

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sort of saying yes we want answers um

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and if they suddenly just do

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like a blue book and and say right okay

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there's nothing to see here

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um we're not going to spend the money on

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this anymore we're going to look at

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something else how are the priorities

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then it just smacks that doesn't it and

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you'll have and then the politicians

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those kind of calls all day saying you

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know why you're shutting this down

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and they don't want to go through that i

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think i'm sure they'd rather just see

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this due to its natural conclusion

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wherever that takes them right yeah well

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we'll see what's going on

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uh there definitely is stuff uh

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then he's putting a big statement out

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there saying he

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and friends have been speaking with lewd

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so maybe we're building a spaceship and

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getting out of here who knows

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we'll see i'm sure

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there must be things there must be

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things going on in the background um

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you know not just the ending report

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you know all around this um whether

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that's like just doing

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more media interviews or releasing more

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information or coming up with new

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releases in terms of you know sort of

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um obviously we don't know how far down

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those lines you know people are

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but yes that'll that'll be on the

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horizon somewhere whether that's close

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or far away

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that's a different story but i'm sure

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there'll be something else coming along

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you know before we know it

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yeah definitely well you know we agree

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there that's for sure

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i think i think when you get a vacuum

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when you get a vacuum like this don't

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you people start to fill it with all

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sorts of nonsense

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so uh you know if you if you you're twit

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twitters and they go by you have people

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sort of each other's throats very

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quickly because they've got nothing

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positive to talk about

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yeah so you you get all that kind of

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backbiting and you get people pulling

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each other to bits and then

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you get all the kind of lunatic fringe

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appear as well and then you have the

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debunkers turning up in droves

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and it just doesn't really anybody any

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good does it so no

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yeah we do need some fresh we need some

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fresh details to get our teeth into and

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start

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arguing over those rather than one of

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those things

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yeah no i hear you i think yeah at this

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um you know there's

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you you got to keep going forward with

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some sort of transparency whether it's

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from the government or someone who

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can leak it uh one or one way or another

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this has gone too far

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and i would suspect even more leaks if

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they don't share this stuff because at

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this point

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um you know they almost might be a

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hero these days versus you know because

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the stigma

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revealing that's actually uh you know

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something that that could be something

285
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that happens you just never know

286
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yeah yeah the preliminary report had a

287
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whole load of information

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which they need to see through i mean

289
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they mentioned there was an intelligence

290
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collection deficit

291
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um you know whether it's to do with uaps

292
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or drones or whatever it is but they

293
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know there's a deficit

294
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of being able to collect information on

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what's going on so that needs to be

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plugged

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um there was also to do with risk to

298
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pilots and then there was

299
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also the then there was the statement by

300
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the the under secretary of defense who

301
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came out and said look we want an action

302
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plan

303
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we want some information you know some

304
00:10:57,190 --> 00:10:55,600
action on this we want a titan scale

305
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and then the interim report so they see

306
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all that through that they can't just

307
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stop now

308
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because it just it just makes all that

309
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mockery and it makes the statements that

310
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came out afterwards in terms of what

311
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they were going to do

312
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um you know to address the information

313
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in the report in the public report at

314
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least

315
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yeah it just makes that just looks

316
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really stupid otherwise

317
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um so and then look stupid in the

318
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process so yeah they do have to see this

319
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through

320
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it robert actually made a good point and

321
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it's it's been brought up before

322
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you know um leaks and how they can be

323
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dangerous

324
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and that's true i mean you can't throw

325
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classified information on intelligence

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gathering or sources or anything like

327
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that

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why the videos we do

329
00:11:45,990 --> 00:11:44,079
see uh are almost leaving us

330
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you know they're lacking just that's

331
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something that brings you

332
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more don't you yeah i mean they've only

333
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come out in this way because

334
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for whatever however they've been done

335
00:11:56,069 --> 00:11:55,040
and how they've been released they've

336
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stripped all the

337
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all the the kind of sensitive things off

338
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of the videos

339
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i'm sure um otherwise we've never

340
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probably seen the light of day

341
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so yes i mean you know we're left with

342
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you know just as many questions as

343
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answers that we have in fact probably

344
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more

345
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but in terms of um you know future

346
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releases

347
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i'd rather see them come through an

348
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established chain of custody

349
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because then they've got pro your

350
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province and then it's they can't be too

351
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you can't be disputed then because then

352
00:12:24,470 --> 00:12:23,440
you know who's taken them you know where

353
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they've been taking

354
00:12:28,710 --> 00:12:27,360
how they've been taken possibly yeah um

355
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rather than just something that's been

356
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passed to somebody

357
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oh here's here's a here's a lovely video

358
00:12:35,430 --> 00:12:33,519
but you don't have you don't have much

359
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idea

360
00:12:38,790 --> 00:12:37,120
about that in the context of the videos

361
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we got so far which are

362
00:12:45,829 --> 00:12:42,160
not that great right so if a

363
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fantastic fabulous obvious type video

364
00:12:50,310 --> 00:12:49,040
was leaked that would maybe a little

365
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different i guess

366
00:12:53,910 --> 00:12:53,440
um because it would almost speak for

367
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itself

368
00:12:57,829 --> 00:12:56,160
more so you know it hurt yeah he'd hope

369
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so um but there's always going to be an

370
00:13:01,509 --> 00:12:58,800
accusation that the

371
00:13:01,829 --> 00:13:01,519
uh it's cgi or it's being fake somewhere

372
00:13:04,389 --> 00:13:01,839
or

373
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something which is quite mundane it just

374
00:13:07,110 --> 00:13:04,959
looks like

375
00:13:07,990 --> 00:13:07,120
something else yeah you won't you'll

376
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never satisfy

377
00:13:12,069 --> 00:13:10,480
everybody will you um even if there's a

378
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fully printed

379
00:13:15,590 --> 00:13:14,320
yeah a flying saucer on the white horse

380
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on the white house alone

381
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and somebody would say oh that's a fake

382
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you know so yeah

383
00:13:27,509 --> 00:13:25,910
about like a video ever being good

384
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enough because you make

385
00:13:30,470 --> 00:13:29,200
you know i made that point on twitter

386
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and it was pretty interesting because

387
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the poll was kind of split in the middle

388
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half people

389
00:13:36,870 --> 00:13:35,680
thought like you know there could be a

390
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video that would

391
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be good enough and the other half didn't

392
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so much

393
00:13:43,829 --> 00:13:42,480
so to me that kind of says no there

394
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wouldn't be one

395
00:13:47,590 --> 00:13:45,760
but it's a hard one it's a hard one to

396
00:13:48,230 --> 00:13:47,600
answer because everybody has their own

397
00:13:51,030 --> 00:13:48,240
threshold

398
00:13:51,509 --> 00:13:51,040
for sort of evidence and proof yeah so

399
00:13:54,790 --> 00:13:51,519
you know

400
00:13:55,990 --> 00:13:54,800
if i saw something on on youtube that

401
00:13:57,670 --> 00:13:56,000
looked really good

402
00:13:59,030 --> 00:13:57,680
and you know you look a bit into it into

403
00:14:00,230 --> 00:13:59,040
it and how it looks

404
00:14:02,069 --> 00:14:00,240
and you know you just have that kind of

405
00:14:03,509 --> 00:14:02,079
gut instinct so i

406
00:14:05,430 --> 00:14:03,519
might have a different threshold that

407
00:14:06,069 --> 00:14:05,440
one that you might see or mick west

408
00:14:08,069 --> 00:14:06,079
might see

409
00:14:09,829 --> 00:14:08,079
or although elizondo might say or or

410
00:14:11,189 --> 00:14:09,839
whoever or people in the chat room here

411
00:14:12,949 --> 00:14:11,199
you know everybody has their own

412
00:14:15,509 --> 00:14:12,959
threshold yes

413
00:14:17,189 --> 00:14:15,519
already so yeah exactly but then you

414
00:14:17,670 --> 00:14:17,199
have people like scott brown who can who

415
00:14:19,110 --> 00:14:17,680
have a

416
00:14:20,790 --> 00:14:19,120
more technical knowledge about such

417
00:14:21,430 --> 00:14:20,800
things you know about your photographs

418
00:14:23,189 --> 00:14:21,440
and all this

419
00:14:24,470 --> 00:14:23,199
so they have a maybe an advantage over

420
00:14:25,430 --> 00:14:24,480
people like me who don't have that

421
00:14:27,430 --> 00:14:25,440
experience

422
00:14:28,870 --> 00:14:27,440
um you know i'm going more in good and

423
00:14:29,829 --> 00:14:28,880
he might be going on more technical

424
00:14:31,829 --> 00:14:29,839
aspects

425
00:14:33,829 --> 00:14:31,839
but in the end we still have to make our

426
00:14:35,829 --> 00:14:33,839
own decisions based on what we know or

427
00:14:36,949 --> 00:14:35,839
what we even believe sometimes i think

428
00:14:38,069 --> 00:14:36,959
sometimes you're also taking them on

429
00:14:40,150 --> 00:14:38,079
faith aren't you

430
00:14:41,910 --> 00:14:40,160
um rather than just like solid evidence

431
00:14:43,350 --> 00:14:41,920
because certain things look right

432
00:14:45,189 --> 00:14:43,360
and then they don't you know you see

433
00:14:46,790 --> 00:14:45,199
some of these videos that people show

434
00:14:48,710 --> 00:14:46,800
and and sometimes you think that's just

435
00:14:51,189 --> 00:14:48,720
a plastic bag flying past you know

436
00:14:51,990 --> 00:14:51,199
maybe just a few hundred feet um because

437
00:14:53,829 --> 00:14:52,000
you get that kind of

438
00:14:56,230 --> 00:14:53,839
you get that sense whereas you say

439
00:14:58,550 --> 00:14:56,240
something might be truly anomalous

440
00:15:00,069 --> 00:14:58,560
and that's when you start thinking hmm

441
00:15:01,350 --> 00:15:00,079
you know and you're not so sure

442
00:15:03,189 --> 00:15:01,360
and then you see something that just

443
00:15:04,550 --> 00:15:03,199
doesn't compute at all

444
00:15:06,310 --> 00:15:04,560
and that's the they're the ones who

445
00:15:09,829 --> 00:15:06,320
you'll which you'll think

446
00:15:13,110 --> 00:15:09,839
yeah that definitely could be yeah

447
00:15:16,069 --> 00:15:13,120
um you know i i kind of thought of this

448
00:15:17,350 --> 00:15:16,079
uh analogy and it's you know me it's

449
00:15:19,509 --> 00:15:17,360
kind of

450
00:15:21,030 --> 00:15:19,519
you know it's not the cleanest analogy

451
00:15:23,750 --> 00:15:21,040
but

452
00:15:25,910 --> 00:15:23,760
as far as like all this ufo's

453
00:15:26,949 --> 00:15:25,920
information and what we get what we

454
00:15:29,189 --> 00:15:26,959
don't get what we're

455
00:15:29,990 --> 00:15:29,199
led to believe what we want to believe

456
00:15:33,189 --> 00:15:30,000
it's

457
00:15:36,629 --> 00:15:33,199
you know the situation is this imagine

458
00:15:40,710 --> 00:15:36,639
i tell you bill clinton has a tattoo

459
00:15:44,310 --> 00:15:40,720
of an alien on his ass

460
00:15:45,990 --> 00:15:44,320
prove me wrong yeah right

461
00:15:47,110 --> 00:15:46,000
yeah i'm sure if i'm pulling down his

462
00:15:49,829 --> 00:15:47,120
pants or something you're not going to

463
00:15:54,310 --> 00:15:53,110
he's not going to do it exactly so yeah

464
00:15:55,990 --> 00:15:54,320
that's that's true

465
00:15:57,670 --> 00:15:56,000
yeah it's an interesting analogy i must

466
00:16:01,829 --> 00:15:57,680
have never come across that one before

467
00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:01,839
thanks for that enough nightmares

468
00:16:06,310 --> 00:16:04,240
can you tell uh what presidential

469
00:16:10,069 --> 00:16:06,320
library i was looking at in the

470
00:16:14,150 --> 00:16:13,110
that's right bill clinton yeah and that

471
00:16:17,030 --> 00:16:14,160
came to my mind

472
00:16:18,150 --> 00:16:17,040
because it's yeah because you know this

473
00:16:20,069 --> 00:16:18,160
a lot of this stuff

474
00:16:22,550 --> 00:16:20,079
is like corbell's videos for instance

475
00:16:24,790 --> 00:16:22,560
you can claim it's one thing

476
00:16:25,910 --> 00:16:24,800
and then basically say it prove me

477
00:16:28,710 --> 00:16:25,920
otherwise

478
00:16:30,389 --> 00:16:28,720
you know it is you know not maybe not to

479
00:16:33,509 --> 00:16:30,399
use him as

480
00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:33,519
every example but that is the example

481
00:16:39,189 --> 00:16:36,959
you can't hide have something hidden

482
00:16:39,990 --> 00:16:39,199
say it something and then put the onus

483
00:16:43,829 --> 00:16:40,000
of

484
00:16:45,670 --> 00:16:43,839
you know provability on the viewer

485
00:16:46,870 --> 00:16:45,680
which is kind of what it is to a certain

486
00:16:49,430 --> 00:16:46,880
extent but

487
00:16:51,189 --> 00:16:49,440
i don't know yeah i wish i wish you know

488
00:16:52,310 --> 00:16:51,199
he wasn't just the only kind of main

489
00:16:54,150 --> 00:16:52,320
conduit for this

490
00:16:55,829 --> 00:16:54,160
i know he clearly must have been given

491
00:16:56,710 --> 00:16:55,839
quite a bit of information over the last

492
00:16:58,389 --> 00:16:56,720
few years

493
00:17:00,550 --> 00:16:58,399
yeah it's coming out maybe in drips and

494
00:17:02,389 --> 00:17:00,560
drabs you know how long it takes him to

495
00:17:04,230 --> 00:17:02,399
to confirm and triple confirm these

496
00:17:05,270 --> 00:17:04,240
things i don't know but it would be nice

497
00:17:07,270 --> 00:17:05,280
to see

498
00:17:08,789 --> 00:17:07,280
you know a couple of other people quite

499
00:17:10,549 --> 00:17:08,799
your well-respected people

500
00:17:11,909 --> 00:17:10,559
coming out with stuff you know fairly

501
00:17:13,669 --> 00:17:11,919
regularly such as

502
00:17:15,270 --> 00:17:13,679
you know in the way he has been doing

503
00:17:15,590 --> 00:17:15,280
because then it would spread the load a

504
00:17:17,429 --> 00:17:15,600
bit

505
00:17:19,909 --> 00:17:17,439
and you wouldn't just have to you know

506
00:17:21,110 --> 00:17:19,919
maybe attack one person

507
00:17:23,510 --> 00:17:21,120
because obviously the people who don't

508
00:17:25,270 --> 00:17:23,520
like it just have a go at him don't they

509
00:17:27,829 --> 00:17:25,280
yeah you know they don't always just

510
00:17:29,350 --> 00:17:27,839
have a go you know play the kind of um

511
00:17:30,870 --> 00:17:29,360
you know what you call you know play the

512
00:17:32,310 --> 00:17:30,880
man not the ball sort of thing they

513
00:17:33,110 --> 00:17:32,320
always have a go at him rather than the

514
00:17:34,630 --> 00:17:33,120
videos

515
00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:34,640
um whereas you've had a couple other

516
00:17:37,510 --> 00:17:36,240
people who were quite well respected

517
00:17:39,990 --> 00:17:37,520
then it would it would be a bit more

518
00:17:41,510 --> 00:17:40,000
difficult to sort of attack the people

519
00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:41,520
because you have to then do it in three

520
00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:43,840
different ways say uh whereas you know

521
00:17:46,870 --> 00:17:44,880
if you have three different people

522
00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:46,880
coming out with pretty credible videos

523
00:17:50,310 --> 00:17:48,720
or things that you can't automatically

524
00:17:51,990 --> 00:17:50,320
just rule out then

525
00:17:53,750 --> 00:17:52,000
i think you'll be better uh but that's

526
00:17:55,029 --> 00:17:53,760
not taking any anything away from jeremy

527
00:17:56,549 --> 00:17:55,039
corbell because he

528
00:17:58,310 --> 00:17:56,559
he's clearly doing quite a lot of work

529
00:18:00,390 --> 00:17:58,320
to get what he has out

530
00:18:02,230 --> 00:18:00,400
yeah it's one of those things like if

531
00:18:03,110 --> 00:18:02,240
there's aliens in those ships and we

532
00:18:05,270 --> 00:18:03,120
find out

533
00:18:07,430 --> 00:18:05,280
in this whole time we just you know

534
00:18:09,029 --> 00:18:07,440
pooped on how we delivered this stuff

535
00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:09,039
we're going to people forget about it

536
00:18:13,669 --> 00:18:10,880
but vice versa too so

537
00:18:14,630 --> 00:18:13,679
you kind of have to just reserve and

538
00:18:18,789 --> 00:18:14,640
observe

539
00:18:22,150 --> 00:18:18,799
until you know further notice i suppose

540
00:18:37,430 --> 00:18:22,160
um but we do actually have some sort of

541
00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:40,870
we have uh nasa um being

542
00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:44,640
briefed uh by the uaptf bird john

543
00:18:48,390 --> 00:18:45,600
greenwald

544
00:18:49,110 --> 00:18:48,400
and um a foia that he got some

545
00:18:51,669 --> 00:18:49,120
information

546
00:18:53,590 --> 00:18:51,679
back on now that's pretty interesting

547
00:18:56,789 --> 00:18:53,600
especially if you consider

548
00:19:00,230 --> 00:18:56,799
uh bill nelson in his recent comments

549
00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:00,240
yeah yeah it all adds up just because

550
00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:02,160
you know the these agencies like nasa

551
00:19:06,150 --> 00:19:04,320
wasn't on the list that was um

552
00:19:07,669 --> 00:19:06,160
on the on the preliminary report doesn't

553
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:07,679
mean to say that nobody talked to them

554
00:19:10,150 --> 00:19:08,160
and now

555
00:19:11,190 --> 00:19:10,160
john greenwald has has effectively

556
00:19:12,789 --> 00:19:11,200
proved that by

557
00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:12,799
you know the finding that email through

558
00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:15,120
fire which says that they were asking

559
00:19:19,590 --> 00:19:18,240
you know nasa for a briefing so

560
00:19:21,350 --> 00:19:19,600
the task force rather was asking for

561
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:21,360
them for a briefing so

562
00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:23,440
that's that's you know you would think

563
00:19:26,549 --> 00:19:24,799
they would do that anyway

564
00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:26,559
it's it's probably not possibly nothing

565
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:28,720
ground shattering in terms of

566
00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:30,080
what you would think they would be doing

567
00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:32,080
or who would be looking at uh to get

568
00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:32,960
information

569
00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:35,760
maybe not um you know nuts and bolts and

570
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:37,200
kind of facts and figures

571
00:19:40,549 --> 00:19:38,880
there may be no overall sense of what

572
00:19:41,909 --> 00:19:40,559
they're capable of of doing

573
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:41,919
in terms of being able to collect

574
00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:44,160
information or find you know

575
00:19:48,070 --> 00:19:46,799
data and collect it and then translate

576
00:19:50,789 --> 00:19:48,080
into some kind of analysis

577
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:50,799
so i think that's that's really good um

578
00:19:53,430 --> 00:19:51,200
but

579
00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:53,440
it also asks it sort of begs another

580
00:19:58,150 --> 00:19:56,080
question if nasa have been approached

581
00:19:59,270 --> 00:19:58,160
which is what the emails suggest then

582
00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:59,280
who's to say that people like the

583
00:20:02,870 --> 00:20:01,200
department of energy haven't been

584
00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:02,880
approached as well because they weren't

585
00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:04,640
on the list as far as i was aware

586
00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:07,840
so you can imagine that if nasa on that

587
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:08,240
list

588
00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:10,080
there's probably quite a few agencies

589
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:11,520
which didn't appear on the top the

590
00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:13,280
preliminary reports list of

591
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:15,600
ones that were which gave input which

592
00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:17,120
was i think was the phrase

593
00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:19,360
um but you you can bet there's other

594
00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:20,880
ones have been approached to find out

595
00:20:23,669 --> 00:20:21,760
what kind of

596
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:23,679
you know collection and uh recording

597
00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:25,919
capabilities they actually have

598
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:28,240
the the sort of place um sort of

599
00:20:31,510 --> 00:20:29,200
agencies and

600
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:31,520
collection facilities that chris mellon

601
00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:34,000
mentioned you know back on joe rogan

602
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:36,159
um he mentioned a i can't remember the

603
00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:37,679
exact ones now but he mentioned three or

604
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:38,159
four

605
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:39,679
different ones which didn't really crop

606
00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:41,200
up before um

607
00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:42,640
but they saw the ones as well which are

608
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:44,320
squirreled away that you know you're the

609
00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:46,559
fuel or nobody's heard of before

610
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:48,799
so um yeah i bet that i bet there's a

611
00:20:51,990 --> 00:20:50,559
few where they've contacted and gone

612
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:52,000
you know can you give us an idea of what

613
00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:53,440
you're capable of doing and what you

614
00:20:57,270 --> 00:20:54,559
what you can pick up

615
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:57,280
and yeah sure if you might have seen um

616
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:58,080
so yeah

617
00:21:01,990 --> 00:21:00,480
i'm i'm yeah i wouldn't i wouldn't put

618
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:02,000
money on it but um yeah i would

619
00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:03,120
thought yeah they're probably they're

620
00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:04,559
probably talking to us some other people

621
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:05,360
and just

622
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:08,640
guessing i wonder now you know

623
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:12,000
do we know if bill nelson's comments oh

624
00:21:15,909 --> 00:21:13,039
we probably don't

625
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:15,919
but if they came before after you know

626
00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:23,190
more rumors but it'd be interesting um

627
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:24,400
i presume that you'll be able to find

628
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:26,400
the the dates of the um

629
00:21:29,909 --> 00:21:28,799
of the emails on the documents probably

630
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:29,919
a bit

631
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:32,320
because that might not be redacted um

632
00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:32,960
obviously

633
00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:34,240
so it's probably worth having a look at

634
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:35,360
the documents i'm going to have to do it

635
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:36,720
myself so i can't tell you

636
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:40,080
yeah i'll need to go back to the

637
00:21:43,590 --> 00:21:41,679
document and have a quick look at it and

638
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:43,600
then check the the date of bill nelson's

639
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:45,440
comments uh but it'd be interesting to

640
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:46,640
see how they correlate

641
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:48,559
to see whether or not that kind of his

642
00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:50,320
comments came before afterwards but i

643
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:51,360
mean they've done other things haven't

644
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:53,120
they put a question and answer

645
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:55,760
kind of thing about um you know uaps or

646
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:57,679
whatever on their website haven't they

647
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:58,000
so

648
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:59,919
yeah i think it's more slanted about

649
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:01,039
alien life but

650
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:02,640
it also mentions about you know more

651
00:22:07,350 --> 00:22:05,280
earthbound kind of sightings etc so

652
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:07,360
um i would never think i'll ever get to

653
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:09,039
this point in my lifetime when nasa were

654
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:10,960
talking actively about uaps

655
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:12,880
and being approached to give briefings

656
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:14,320
about them

657
00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:20,070
sometimes i have to pick i have to pinch

658
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:21,520
myself sometimes i wake up and i'll

659
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:22,159
think about

660
00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:23,919
things like this and i have to pinch

661
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:25,600
myself thinking am i really living

662
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:26,000
through this

663
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:28,159
period or am i going to wake up and find

664
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:30,000
myself back in the 1980s when everybody

665
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:30,400
just said

666
00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:35,750
uh i just think it's funny but i hear

667
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:37,280
you say benchmarks if

668
00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:44,789
uh yeah it's you you know some at some

669
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:45,919
point you would think

670
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:48,400
um it would really just be nasa and

671
00:22:51,590 --> 00:22:49,280
space force

672
00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:51,600
right well you'd think that there would

673
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:54,159
be natural kind of candidates to to go

674
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:55,679
and just talk to to see what their

675
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:56,720
capabilities are

676
00:23:00,630 --> 00:22:59,280
i'm i'm sure that you know the uap task

677
00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:00,640
force probably has a

678
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:03,039
rough idea of what they do um they

679
00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:05,200
wouldn't have probably gone in blind and

680
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:06,159
said you know oh

681
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:08,320
um we have no idea what what you do can

682
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:09,840
you tell us if you can pick the you know

683
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:12,080
things up and how would you do it um so

684
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:13,600
they probably have gone with some kind

685
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:13,919
of

686
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:18,159
capabilities the

687
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:19,840
the iss has because i believe the

688
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:21,679
program manager for the in that

689
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:23,440
international space station was one of

690
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:24,799
the people who was in that particular

691
00:23:27,510 --> 00:23:25,280
loop

692
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:27,520
for a year for the emails and the you

693
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:28,880
know the kind of meeting the online

694
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:29,520
meetings

695
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:32,320
and it wasn't too long ago that i think

696
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:33,840
it was a russian astronaut

697
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:36,960
actually posted pictures of something

698
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:39,919
that he saw in space yeah yeah that's

699
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:41,120
mentioned in

700
00:23:44,549 --> 00:23:43,360
john's uh report from yesterday or this

701
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:44,559
morning yeah

702
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:48,799
okay um yeah but you know with them it's

703
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:49,760
uh

704
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:51,440
you see what they've done lightly with

705
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:53,039
the chess piece thing

706
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:56,720
who knows do you know that that's

707
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:58,240
that's the classic kind of russian thing

708
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:59,679
of messing with people's heads

709
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:00,880
psychologically

710
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:03,600
straight up yeah of course it is yeah

711
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:05,279
they're masters of that game

712
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:07,520
um you know they they they know how to

713
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:09,120
just how to choose things

714
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:11,200
and how to exaggerate things and they

715
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:12,480
know that people will

716
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:14,480
sort of you know just latch onto it and

717
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:16,559
and just run with things like that

718
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:18,559
they're not above playing games with a

719
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:20,000
west especially when it comes to

720
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:21,760
aeroplanes

721
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:24,240
oops sorry did you hear that yeah i did

722
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:25,279
i'll give you one i'll

723
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:28,000
give you one quick bill nelson oh sorry

724
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:28,559
again

725
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:30,400
you're sorry bill if he's there we'll

726
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:32,720
interview him if you want bill

727
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:36,159
hello bill i know bill bill's

728
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:39,440
very sweet but he usually doesn't get up

729
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:42,480
uh before three in the afternoon okay

730
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:44,880
i'll give you one okay i'll give you one

731
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:46,400
quick example about how the russians

732
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:47,679
mess with people's heads

733
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:50,159
in terms of their aircraft back in the

734
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:52,159
1950s and 1960s when they used to have

735
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:53,919
their annual air show when they used to

736
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:56,799
um unveil their new airplanes to their

737
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:57,760
own public

738
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:59,600
and by saying by the same token to

739
00:25:03,350 --> 00:25:01,200
western intelligence agencies

740
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:03,360
who used to send people across to watch

741
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,799
um what they used to do with with the

742
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:06,400
new aircraft types if they only had like

743
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:08,000
a handful of prototypes

744
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:09,600
they would fly they would fly them in

745
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,240
formations around and round in circles

746
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:14,159
to go over the airfield every couple of

747
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:16,080
minutes so they looked like they had

748
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:19,120
more aircraft than they actually had

749
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:20,960
so we used to do stuff like that you

750
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:22,640
know so they're not above messing with

751
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:23,120
people's

752
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,799
heads yeah that wouldn't i would think

753
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:28,799
like those chess championships too they

754
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:31,360
go all out i wanted to play exactly

755
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,640
um with bill nelson i think

756
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:36,640
if i'm hoping this is the right one if

757
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:38,240
it is it it's pretty good

758
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:42,000
so um july 6. he's with us now

759
00:25:46,710 --> 00:25:45,039
former astronaut himself former senator

760
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:46,720
good to see you again what do you make

761
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:50,080
of this billionaire race to space

762
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:52,720
it starts with that and they certainly

763
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:54,240
have their due

764
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:57,919
oh these guys have contributed a lot

765
00:26:01,430 --> 00:26:01,039
the washington post space rider calls

766
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:01,440
them

767
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:04,640
the space barons you know

768
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:07,279
i remember being at nasa when the last

769
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:08,960
shuttle launch was going up i think you

770
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:10,240
were there too

771
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:12,559
and everyone on the space coast from

772
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:14,240
titusville to cocoa beach

773
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:17,200
they were all so sad and to see what's

774
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:18,159
happened since

775
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:21,200
it's extraordinary it's just

776
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:23,520
extraordinary all of those abandoned

777
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:24,720
launch pads

778
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:29,679
on cape canaveral they've come to life

779
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:32,400
it's now not unusual that there's a

780
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:34,400
space launch every week

781
00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:37,279
first of all and there's an exciting

782
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:38,240
time ahead

783
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:41,279
we're going to launch the a sp

784
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:45,120
like every week that is crazy

785
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:48,240
i just there's so much space junk in

786
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:49,039
there

787
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:53,039
since the 80s ever

788
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:56,159
at the end of this year it's uh

789
00:27:02,789 --> 00:26:59,600
going out beyond the moon come back

790
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:02,799
and then in two years 2023

791
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:05,840
it's going to have a human crew out to

792
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:06,960
the moon

793
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:09,279
and come back incredible and you know

794
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:10,960
then there's this helicopter

795
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:13,039
the ninth flight over the weekend the

796
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:15,039
agency called it the most nerve-wracking

797
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:15,919
flight so far

798
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:18,559
how important is that technology to our

799
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:19,279
future in

800
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:22,240
basic space exploration this was a

801
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:23,760
demonstration

802
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:26,960
now it's a part of the regular uh

803
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:30,000
plan of nasa it is out

804
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:34,000
doing a flight scouting for the rover

805
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:37,600
this particular time is scouting a very

806
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:41,520
sandy region in order to determine

807
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:44,080
should the rover go there and possibly

808
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:44,880
get stuck

809
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:49,279
in the same

810
00:27:52,830 --> 00:27:52,000
as a matter of fact it now has a fancy

811
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:52,840
name

812
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:56,559
astrobiology we're looking for life

813
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:00,080
on mars on the other planets

814
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:03,520
we're looking out in the cosmos

815
00:28:10,630 --> 00:28:06,720
trying to determine other suns that have

816
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:10,640
planets with a habitable atmosphere

817
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:13,919
but when you think about it shepherd

818
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:17,679
if you have a a universe that is

819
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:20,880
13 and a half billion years

820
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:25,200
old it is so big is there another chance

821
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:29,120
for another sun and another planet that

822
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:30,320
has

823
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:33,760
an atmosphere like ours i would say yes

824
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:37,200
so we're going to get some uh

825
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:39,360
indication that there's intelligent life

826
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:41,440
out there did you hear that

827
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:43,600
shepherd smith here thanks for watching

828
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:50,789
he said we're going to find

829
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:52,240
did you hear that we're going to find

830
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:54,559
that some other intelligent life form

831
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:55,600
out there

832
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:57,440
that's pretty interesting because that's

833
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:59,120
a that's a definite

834
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:01,200
type of statement that's not like a we

835
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:02,880
may or i hope we

836
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:05,679
that's uh well they're looking at

837
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:07,200
probabilities aren't they because you've

838
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:08,399
got a great equation and

839
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:10,159
you know and there's been sort of

840
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,320
numbers banded about in in the

841
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:14,240
thousands tens of thousands hundreds of

842
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:15,360
thousands even

843
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:18,720
so it's not you know sort of beyond the

844
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:20,640
the bounds of sort of possibility that

845
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,840
they are going to find something and

846
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:23,279
it's a it's a probable

847
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:25,440
probability not another possibility so

848
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:26,640
he's right in saying that

849
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:29,039
eventually uh it might not be in his

850
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:31,279
lifetime mine yours or whoever

851
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:33,919
or even our kids kind of thing but it's

852
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:35,120
sort of related

853
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:36,799
sooner or later it'll happen won't it

854
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:38,240
and he doesn't have to give a time frame

855
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:39,360
he just has to say

856
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:41,200
you know we will find them and he did

857
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:42,559
say intelligent too

858
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:46,240
so yes he did yeah um very interesting

859
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:47,919
megan's got a great question here if you

860
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:49,760
want to give it a shot

861
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:53,279
yeah sure all right yeah um

862
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:57,600
yeah yeah i can't pick one is the answer

863
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:58,320
because

864
00:30:02,070 --> 00:30:00,559
if i mean it's a big if but if one of

865
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:02,080
them had been responsible

866
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:03,440
for the kind of you know things that

867
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:05,120
we've seen on those videos the flea

868
00:30:08,830 --> 00:30:06,000
videos

869
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:08,840
um and also the ones that the ones for

870
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:10,159
2004

871
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:12,880
from the 2015 and now the recent ones

872
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:15,120
that jeremy corbell has released

873
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:17,440
if it's one of russia and china china or

874
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:19,200
one of them is responsible

875
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:23,039
then it's frightening really um because

876
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:25,279
they they possibly have parts of the

877
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:27,360
technology to be able to do this

878
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:30,240
but maybe only parts in terms of one

879
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:30,720
thing

880
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:32,080
so they might be able to have a drone

881
00:30:36,870 --> 00:30:34,559
that hovers uh for a long period of time

882
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:36,880
or has a long range right probably

883
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,919
putting that together with something

884
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:39,360
that can fly really quickly in the blink

885
00:30:42,549 --> 00:30:40,399
of an eye

886
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:42,559
um and and bounce around kind of thing

887
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:44,320
pulling you know incredible turns and

888
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:45,679
the rest of it kind of thing

889
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:47,760
uh or just sitting you know above a

890
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:49,440
carrier battle group of 13 hours or

891
00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:50,000
whatever

892
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:52,240
i can't see all those constituent

893
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:54,000
elements coming to to

894
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:56,080
together with the technology at the

895
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:57,360
moment so

896
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:58,559
it's a bit of a cop out for your

897
00:31:01,190 --> 00:31:00,000
question i don't think either is

898
00:31:02,549 --> 00:31:01,200
responsible

899
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:02,559
but i think they all have parts of the

900
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:04,320
puzzle um you know

901
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:05,679
give them another hundred years or

902
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:07,200
something and they might be there or you

903
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:07,440
know

904
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:08,880
thousands or a thousand years it might

905
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:10,480
be there but i don't think they're there

906
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:11,120
yet

907
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:14,880
what i think of its first china is well

908
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:17,120
we said you know apparently we're not

909
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:19,760
responsible for any of these incursions

910
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:22,960
and they steal their technology from us

911
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,880
so it does say something as far as them

912
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:28,159
i'd like to think the chinese were

913
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:29,679
probably further ahead than the russians

914
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:30,080
now

915
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:32,320
if you ask that question sort of 30

916
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:33,279
years ago

917
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:34,480
that would have been the russians would

918
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:36,640
have been further ahead uh or 40 years

919
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:37,200
ago

920
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:39,279
uh because the chinese basically took

921
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:41,519
their initial drone technology from the

922
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:42,480
russians

923
00:31:45,990 --> 00:31:44,960
um their the first chinese drones were

924
00:31:48,990 --> 00:31:46,000
actually russian

925
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:49,000
uh copies of russian drones uh levochin

926
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:50,320
lasm17s

927
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:51,760
uh it was like a small aircraft

928
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:53,760
basically like small jet aircraft

929
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:55,600
um and they they nicked that technology

930
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:56,880
and copied it but

931
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:58,960
beyond that uh you know they've just

932
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:00,799
like gone streets ahead probably

933
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:02,559
nowadays i think the chinese technology

934
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:03,600
is probably more advanced than the

935
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:04,640
russian technology

936
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:07,679
in quite a lot of areas um but they're

937
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:08,080
not

938
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:11,120
i can't see how they're that distinctly

939
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:11,919
far ahead

940
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:13,279
that they can come up with stuff that's

941
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:14,960
been shown you know the kind of things

942
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:16,320
that have been talked about

943
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:19,440
uh in terms of uh uap encounters that's

944
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:21,279
i just can't say that's possible do you

945
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:23,120
know anything about their

946
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:26,399
new fighter jet that came up the the

947
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:28,080
chat the so-called checkmate

948
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:29,840
yeah they've been they've been keeping a

949
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,120
lot of that under wraps i mean there's

950
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:33,360
various russian projects at the moment

951
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:35,840
um you talk about the mig-41 as well

952
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:36,399
which is

953
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:38,480
supposed to be this new fifth generation

954
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,080
sort of stealth aircraft

955
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:42,240
um but they're all you know pretty much

956
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,120
under

957
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:45,360
kind of very very sort of secretive the

958
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:46,480
russians always have been

959
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:48,080
you get here drips and drabs sort of

960
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:49,679
thing and this new checkmate thing the

961
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:51,200
one was under a plastic bag when they

962
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:52,159
released it

963
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:55,360
um yeah but it's not

964
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,880
well yeah that's how they do they try to

965
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:58,399
break up the outline by just

966
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:59,600
but you know you can see what kind of

967
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:00,799
shape it was anyway because there were

968
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:02,320
people taking pictures of it from the

969
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:03,679
other side of the airfield

970
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:06,159
so yeah there was a fair idea what it

971
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:07,440
looked like under this that kind of

972
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:09,440
black plastic that was wrapped in uh

973
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:09,760
well

974
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:11,279
before the but they're going to unveil

975
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:12,720
it anyway so they weren't that i don't

976
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,919
think they were too fussed about

977
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:15,440
you know the pictures getting leaked

978
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:16,399
because they didn't actually show the

979
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:17,679
airplane just showed it covered in a

980
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:18,799
plastic bag

981
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:23,200
something drones over here or something

982
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:25,200
if they're ready if they're ready to

983
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:27,120
show it then it's obviously

984
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:28,480
you know being flight tested and

985
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:30,320
whatever but i don't think it's so far

986
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:30,880
ahead

987
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:32,240
that it's going to be responsible for

988
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:33,919
anything that we've seen that's just

989
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:35,360
another case of the russians trying to

990
00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:36,559
big up what they've got

991
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:38,240
because they always like to throw kind

992
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:40,320
of confusion in the mix in terms of what

993
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:41,919
proper capabilities of aircraft they

994
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:44,080
have are uh and i tried to show the

995
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:44,640
things that

996
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:47,679
that they're way ahead of you know what

997
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,799
the americans or

998
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,880
or what the brits have in terms of

999
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:52,799
capabilities they used to do the same

1000
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:54,080
thing back in the day

1001
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:55,919
back in the late 60s when they brought

1002
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:57,679
out the mig-25 foxbot

1003
00:34:02,549 --> 00:33:59,600
it was this rumored aircraft that could

1004
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:02,559
do uh just about just over mach 3

1005
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:03,919
and it was designed to shoot down the

1006
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:06,000
american xb70 valkyrie the

1007
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,519
mach3 bomber that you were you were

1008
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:09,119
developing but never never went ahead

1009
00:34:12,069 --> 00:34:09,839
with

1010
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:12,079
um and everybody in the in nato thought

1011
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:13,520
that the foxbot was going to be some

1012
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:14,240
really

1013
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:16,320
sort of super weapon in terms of it was

1014
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:18,320
very quick you know it could fire you

1015
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:20,000
know four missiles at the

1016
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:22,159
extreme long range it could down

1017
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:23,440
american bombers before they got to

1018
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:24,480
their targets

1019
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:25,919
uh you know the launch targets like

1020
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:28,560
bombs or missiles but it turned out to

1021
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:28,960
be

1022
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:30,879
that it couldn't fly as quick as it did

1023
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:32,800
because it the the engines would

1024
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:34,879
basically break um because they weren't

1025
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:36,399
that they weren't built that well

1026
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:37,839
and also it couldn't fly that quick with

1027
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:39,440
missiles anyway because it would just it

1028
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:40,879
would just fall apart

1029
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:43,359
so the the actual capability of the

1030
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:44,960
aircraft turned out not to be

1031
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:47,200
what the russians were pushing it as so

1032
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:48,000
you know they

1033
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:50,399
do this kind of thing um so anything

1034
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:51,359
that they

1035
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:53,760
sorry lieutenant mcmillan i was going to

1036
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:55,679
say actually mentioned something pretty

1037
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:57,119
interesting on the last summer in the

1038
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:58,640
skies podcast

1039
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:00,960
uh where they went over the general

1040
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,800
mccaslin thing

1041
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:04,400
there was a group of four of them going

1042
00:35:09,710 --> 00:35:05,920
over it and

1043
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:09,720
basically the point of mcmillan was in

1044
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:11,359
2016 there

1045
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:14,400
was a bombardment

1046
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:18,400
of russian ufo stories

1047
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:22,240
getting like pushed hardcore

1048
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:25,760
um over to us so you know there's

1049
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:30,960
oh it's just like i feel like

1050
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:34,000
if this i mean if other countries knew

1051
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:36,160
this thing was an intelligent life form

1052
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:37,760
from some other place

1053
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:40,880
would we really still be playing games

1054
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:42,079
like that even

1055
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:45,280
putin you know

1056
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:46,800
you just don't know what the motivations

1057
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:48,960
for kind of other countries are

1058
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:50,720
especially totalitarian or former

1059
00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:52,480
totalitarian countries that

1060
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:54,560
they all have their own sort of like way

1061
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:56,480
of sort of dealing with things which are

1062
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,400
outside threats because

1063
00:36:02,069 --> 00:36:00,480
they'll probably look at things as a

1064
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:02,079
threat to start with

1065
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:03,920
or whether they've got an advantage over

1066
00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:05,920
other countries in being able to

1067
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:08,000
you know either sort of talk to maybe

1068
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:09,520
intelligences behind

1069
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:12,079
you know other races or or maybe just

1070
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:14,000
being able to adapt their technology or

1071
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:14,800
just grab it

1072
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:17,440
you know and use it so yeah you can see

1073
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:18,640
you could see where all these kind of

1074
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:20,000
mind games might come from

1075
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:22,000
or they may be just trying to show that

1076
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:23,119
they're their players

1077
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:24,800
as well maybe they don't have as much

1078
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:26,240
information that they're trying to make

1079
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:27,359
on that they do

1080
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:28,800
yeah because they might be able they

1081
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:29,920
might be able to see some kind of

1082
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,160
advantage further on by being let into

1083
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:34,640
a bigger kind of um a bigger kind of

1084
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:36,480
game you know which involves america and

1085
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:37,200
china

1086
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:39,839
um there's also know you name it there

1087
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:42,000
could be some kind of possibility here

1088
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,200
and it might be just other things we

1089
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:45,359
haven't thought of um but

1090
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:47,040
yeah the russians have all and the

1091
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:48,400
chinese you know especially because

1092
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:49,119
they're

1093
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:50,640
the former or current communist

1094
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,880
countries they don't look at things i

1095
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:54,640
think the same way as like you guys in

1096
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:55,680
america do

1097
00:37:01,750 --> 00:36:59,359
um you know well you guys well i'm in

1098
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:01,760
britain remember so you know

1099
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:04,240
we cut our politicians can't even like

1100
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:08,079
agree there's actually a problem so

1101
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:10,560
that's where i'm coming from yeah no i

1102
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:11,599
hear you

1103
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:15,040
um i'm gonna do a couple things that

1104
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:17,040
i've been doing each day one is called

1105
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:19,520
daca of the day

1106
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,400
and the other is take a couple call-ins

1107
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:24,480
do you want to stick around for this

1108
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:26,480
it's if you want me to yeah i don't mind

1109
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:27,680
yeah cool

1110
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:30,880
uh yeah we'll start with doc of the day

1111
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:34,960
this one uh they tend to like the doc of

1112
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:35,599
the day

1113
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:40,320
so ladies and gentlemen the document

1114
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:45,200
of the day it's the dark of the day

1115
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:56,630
yeah yeah it's the dark of the day

1116
00:38:03,670 --> 00:37:58,830
it's the dark of the day

1117
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:08,870
document of the day

1118
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:12,150
so yeah i mean my my songs are probably

1119
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:13,440
the best part of this

1120
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:16,800
typically but no i'm just kidding i mean

1121
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:18,800
man he's got a great

1122
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:21,200
you're so pumped and then the document

1123
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:21,839
is like

1124
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:24,880
what i'm just so the the one i've

1125
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:26,240
brought out today

1126
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:30,320
is uh i don't know if

1127
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:32,000
this is in your field house or not at

1128
00:38:36,870 --> 00:38:33,680
all but

1129
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:36,880
um yes you never could process yeah no

1130
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:37,520
well this

1131
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:40,240
is actually i couldn't do it yesterday

1132
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:41,680
we had mr greenwald on

1133
00:38:47,710 --> 00:38:45,280
so i wanted to um give

1134
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:47,720
a bigger document this one we have

1135
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:49,680
government-sponsored research

1136
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:52,720
in psychoenergenics

1137
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:56,079
um february 1989

1138
00:39:01,320 --> 00:38:58,079
and it's pretty interesting because it's

1139
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:01,330
specifically psychoenergenic

1140
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:02,880
[Music]

1141
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:05,680
and the best part about this is like i'm

1142
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,200
not going to read all this to you

1143
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:09,359
but the foreign technology division at

1144
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:11,839
that time also did work with

1145
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:15,839
um reports of ufos which is interesting

1146
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,200
yeah um and then we have

1147
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:21,119
like i'm not gonna read all this stuff

1148
00:39:26,069 --> 00:39:22,800
but the point of this

1149
00:39:28,460 --> 00:39:26,079
really is to show you um

1150
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:28,470
they tell you everything

1151
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:30,800
[Laughter]

1152
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:33,599
like all of it and it's pretty

1153
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:35,119
interesting because

1154
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:38,320
you have the army navy air force dod was

1155
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:39,599
doing it

1156
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:42,160
since 1979 they were looking at this

1157
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:43,040
stuff

1158
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:46,320
oh stargate oh look at that

1159
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:49,440
stargate's gotta know about this we

1160
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:50,240
gotta

1161
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:54,079
perfect um

1162
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:57,280
yeah the joints intelligence agency yeah

1163
00:40:01,750 --> 00:40:00,160
dia defense intelligence agency as well

1164
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:01,760
interesting isn't it

1165
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:04,480
and then oh the girlfriend yeah that was

1166
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:06,560
one of their big projects

1167
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:10,000
so you know when

1168
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:13,040
when i look at this kind of stuff and

1169
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,599
how much they put into it which um

1170
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:17,520
throughout all the years was over 12

1171
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:19,040
million dollars you'll find in this

1172
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:20,319
document

1173
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:23,680
um it's it's it

1174
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:27,839
kind of opens the door to everything

1175
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:30,960
else you know but like

1176
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:34,079
if you can believe in psycho energetics

1177
00:40:38,309 --> 00:40:37,839
how do you not believe in consciousness

1178
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:38,319
or

1179
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:43,520
other kinds of consciousness like it's

1180
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:45,119
just like

1181
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:48,560
it really taps your imagination you know

1182
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:50,160
um and that's why i like this stuff

1183
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:52,560
because it's not like

1184
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:55,119
the flying saucers where you're scraping

1185
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:56,160
to put together

1186
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:59,200
a puzzle you know this is just

1187
00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:01,599
it's there and they wrote all about it

1188
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:02,960
you can read it

1189
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:06,000
and it's crazy paranormal to me even

1190
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:07,119
though you know

1191
00:41:11,109 --> 00:41:10,000
they proved it's wrong so you get you

1192
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:11,119
get the feeling they just didn't want to

1193
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:12,319
rule anything out did they

1194
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:13,599
they're always happy to look at

1195
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:15,520
something and clearly there's been some

1196
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:16,960
very open-minded people

1197
00:41:22,390 --> 00:41:20,240
in charge at various times and they've

1198
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:22,400
opened up these programs to investigate

1199
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:23,440
things where

1200
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:25,520
otherwise other people might have in

1201
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:26,800
positions of power might have gone and

1202
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:28,319
you're not spending money on that

1203
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:31,200
it's it's bonkers whereas really some

1204
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:31,680
people

1205
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:35,520
give them some money

1206
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:37,359
to look at it yeah we know all that

1207
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:39,359
because we know what uh bigelow

1208
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:41,760
you know aerospace did with with uh bass

1209
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:43,200
we know about all the things that they

1210
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:43,920
did

1211
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:46,240
so it's not as if that's an isolated

1212
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:47,040
incident

1213
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:49,119
um we know that programs throughout

1214
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:50,480
history where they've looked at things

1215
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:51,040
where

1216
00:41:54,390 --> 00:41:52,880
you know certain people might just go

1217
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:54,400
what you're spending on this for that

1218
00:42:02,069 --> 00:41:56,240
that's all just you know mumbo jumbo

1219
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:02,079
it's all woo stuff um

1220
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:04,240
it's interesting that they have actually

1221
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,839
sort of you know devoted quite a lot of

1222
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:07,119
time and a lot of energy and a lot of

1223
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:07,599
money

1224
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:10,319
uh to looking at examining these it's

1225
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:11,280
just interesting

1226
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:13,920
what they actually found out well uh

1227
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:14,720
yeah uh

1228
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:17,760
remote viewing definitely is not that

1229
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:18,560
neces

1230
00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:21,839
that's

1231
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:24,160
they've done some pretty great things

1232
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:25,040
with help

1233
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:27,839
from that not solely because of that but

1234
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,400
um

1235
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:30,560
so that's that's pretty that's pretty

1236
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:32,000
cool uh i'm gonna

1237
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:33,680
report a little further but i believe

1238
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:36,160
they have proof too that it works so

1239
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:37,680
let's see well i can imagine the remote

1240
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:39,520
viewing i mean if somebody went to an

1241
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:40,880
intelligence agency

1242
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:44,240
um heads and went i know a process

1243
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:46,240
that can let you know what a like a

1244
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:47,280
soviet missile

1245
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:50,400
silo looks like inside

1246
00:42:54,790 --> 00:42:53,680
uh or some secret um chemical warfare

1247
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,800
kind of installation

1248
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:56,880
inside soviet russia let's say that the

1249
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:58,480
total amount in the 1960s

1250
00:43:01,670 --> 00:43:00,079
you can imagine they would have first of

1251
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:01,680
all they've been a bit incredulous

1252
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:02,960
and then if they've come to them with

1253
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:04,400
some kind of evidence to say well this

1254
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:05,920
is something that we've come up with

1255
00:43:09,510 --> 00:43:08,000
something that you can cross-check from

1256
00:43:10,870 --> 00:43:09,520
somewhere else let's say

1257
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,880
and then they went yeah okay that

1258
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:12,480
matches they would leap at it wouldn't

1259
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:14,160
they you'd be deaf not to

1260
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:16,560
yeah just see how far it could go even

1261
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:17,839
if it didn't give you 100 percent

1262
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:19,680
results if we give you sort of results

1263
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:21,040
i don't know you know so six or seven

1264
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,960
times out of ten then it would be worth

1265
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,720
doing wouldn't it it would be would be

1266
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:26,400
worth throwing a shed load of money in

1267
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:28,079
it and just going out just get on with

1268
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:28,400
it

1269
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:33,280
at that point you just have to play the

1270
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:34,720
numbers really high

1271
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:36,400
that's right but it's better than being

1272
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:37,680
able to get people on the ground there

1273
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:39,119
because they couldn't

1274
00:43:43,109 --> 00:43:40,640
you couldn't get operatives in the

1275
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:43,119
soviet union and get them out alive

1276
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:45,200
uh with much in the way of information

1277
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:46,480
and spy satellites

1278
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:48,480
and overflight so you've got them so far

1279
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:49,760
so if they had something like you know

1280
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:51,280
people like this came to them and said

1281
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:53,760
we've got this and we can do this uh in

1282
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:54,960
terms of remote viewing

1283
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:56,160
and we can tell you what things look

1284
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:58,000
like just by sort of thinking about it

1285
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:58,960
and drawing it

1286
00:44:01,829 --> 00:44:00,560
and yeah of course they're gonna they're

1287
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:01,839
gonna leap from there they're gonna leap

1288
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:02,960
at that and just go yeah

1289
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:05,520
yeah here's some money you run with it

1290
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,800
uh well apparently

1291
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:08,640
it seems like all this stuff winds up

1292
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:10,160
getting the boot

1293
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:13,440
because of a uh relation to demon

1294
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:14,000
somehow

1295
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:17,040
and this is another one yeah

1296
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:18,800
yeah well again there's your factions

1297
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,560
isn't it but the people who

1298
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:22,560
who control the purse strings as well so

1299
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:23,760
you'll get some people who think it's a

1300
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:24,640
really good idea

1301
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:25,920
but then you'll get the kind of you know

1302
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:28,079
the fundamental fundamentalist

1303
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:29,440
christians come along and go

1304
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:32,000
sorry we don't want to play those games

1305
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:33,440
we're digging a territory away we don't

1306
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,000
want to go

1307
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:36,720
we want to open that box um and what

1308
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:37,280
because what

1309
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:44,550
that's fine you do you graham thanks for

1310
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:46,560
joining us that was our

1311
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:50,240
session today

1312
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:52,800
ladies and gentlemen the document of the

1313
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,480
day

1314
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:56,000
yeah so i'm not gonna play the whole

1315
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:57,520
song again that would be a little too

1316
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:57,839
much

1317
00:45:01,670 --> 00:45:00,319
although i know people are here just for

1318
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:01,680
that song so

1319
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:04,400
i'm not sure maybe you know we'll just

1320
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:10,309
uh yeah if you want to uh take some

1321
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:11,200
calls

1322
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:14,160
with me i'm a little bit nude to it yet

1323
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:15,040
um but i

1324
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:18,640
sure okay i can help you i can

1325
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:22,640
answer anything um

1326
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:24,480
about personal questions can we ask you

1327
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:31,990
you can ask

1328
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:35,359
all right yeah

1329
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:39,680
well that would be

1330
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:42,079
pretty interesting i don't think this is

1331
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:42,960
gonna work today

1332
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:45,520
yeah and i'm not gonna mess around with

1333
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:46,160
it live

1334
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:50,079
so we'll do it a different time um

1335
00:45:54,309 --> 00:45:51,839
yeah we'll do it a different time i

1336
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:54,319
wanted to

1337
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:57,520
um ask you

1338
00:46:00,550 --> 00:46:00,000
yeah have you ever seen a ufo that's a

1339
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,560
good question

1340
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:02,640
yeah well i've seen something i can't

1341
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:03,680
explain

1342
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:06,800
um i was about 12 or 13 years old when i

1343
00:46:09,510 --> 00:46:07,760
saw it

1344
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:09,520
um you know i've got you know i've got

1345
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:11,040
an interest in aviation that

1346
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:13,760
goes back to my childhood and so i was

1347
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:15,200
fairly conversant with

1348
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:17,280
what things look like in the skies

1349
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:18,640
around near where i lived

1350
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:21,359
back then um and i was next to the

1351
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:22,000
flight path

1352
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:23,839
for what was newcastle airport which was

1353
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:25,040
my local airport

1354
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:26,160
in the time where i lived when i was a

1355
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:28,240
child and i saw this

1356
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:30,480
kind of teardrop shaped thing on its

1357
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:31,440
side right

1358
00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:33,920
and it was all it was orange and silver

1359
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:35,119
and this is

1360
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:38,079
yeah um and it was it wasn't going to

1361
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:39,440
particularly quickly either

1362
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:41,119
and it's you have the same problem when

1363
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:42,640
you when you when you see things you

1364
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:43,920
don't know how far away they are when

1365
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:45,119
you don't know what it is

1366
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:46,720
so it wasn't like an aircraft which i

1367
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:48,480
could say oh yeah you know i know how

1368
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:50,240
roughly how big this aircraft is so i

1369
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:52,000
know how far away it is

1370
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:53,200
um when you're looking at something that

1371
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:55,040
you have no idea of you know what size

1372
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:55,359
is

1373
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:58,960
then because you can't tell how far away

1374
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:00,960
it is you don't know what size it is

1375
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:03,760
um all i knew was it went behind a cloud

1376
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:05,680
and the cloud was some distance away

1377
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:08,079
so i knew it wasn't very small the

1378
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:10,240
subject so i knew it was a you know a

1379
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:11,520
reasonable size

1380
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:14,400
how big it was i can't exactly say they

1381
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:16,000
say it wasn't traveling very quickly it

1382
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:17,119
was it was mostly

1383
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,560
it was mostly orange with a kind of

1384
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:20,480
silver kind of bit around the

1385
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:23,760
kind of blunt end of this teardrop um

1386
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:24,960
which you'd expect a bit of the way

1387
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:26,559
around if that was friction because it

1388
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:26,960
would be

1389
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:28,720
churning you know but it wasn't it was

1390
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:30,160
it was another way around

1391
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:32,640
but i just it just caught my eye um

1392
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:33,920
because it was so

1393
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:36,319
you know weird looking um and i haven't

1394
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:37,920
been able to explain what it is to this

1395
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:38,400
day

1396
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:41,520
i don't know well exactly

1397
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:43,680
um because sometimes you think you know

1398
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:45,680
or i must have just seen an aircraft or

1399
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:46,400
a super

1400
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:48,480
hot air balloon or or a glider or

1401
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:49,760
microlight or whatever

1402
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,680
uh but being you know being an aircraft

1403
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:53,119
enthusiast i knew exactly what those

1404
00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:53,839
things looked like

1405
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:55,359
i knew it wasn't one of those so i just

1406
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:57,280
looked at it and some people do have

1407
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:59,359
kind of life-changing experiences over

1408
00:48:02,069 --> 00:48:00,640
you know what they see

1409
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:02,079
but i didn't have that where they say it

1410
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:04,079
was just a kind of this kind of curious

1411
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:06,400
well what is it sure that kind of thing

1412
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:07,359
you know so

1413
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:08,880
and then it's so white behind the cloud

1414
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:10,880
and that was it yeah that's

1415
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,800
interesting that you say that i've i

1416
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:14,240
feel like you know i've been thinking

1417
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:16,319
about that kind of recently because

1418
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:18,960
i you know started doing this stuff and

1419
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:20,559
everything and i had

1420
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:24,319
a situation or a sighting and

1421
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:28,640
i i would been wondering if it's

1422
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:30,319
um because a lot of people have been

1423
00:48:35,589 --> 00:48:32,240
researching almost their whole life

1424
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:35,599
basically have never seen anything

1425
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:38,720
and i wonder it's you know i'd get the

1426
00:48:43,589 --> 00:48:41,040
weeds a little bit with this stuff and

1427
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:43,599
um you know things meant to be or that

1428
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:44,480
or whatever

1429
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:48,559
but i wonder if they didn't have to see

1430
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:49,280
something

1431
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:53,040
just to research it this long you know

1432
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:56,319
for me like i wouldn't have done this

1433
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:58,800
if i haven't and when i say see

1434
00:49:03,030 --> 00:48:59,760
something

1435
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:03,040
i don't mean

1436
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:05,200
i see something i almost mean like a

1437
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:06,720
weird interaction

1438
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:10,240
type of thing you know um

1439
00:49:14,150 --> 00:49:12,160
but yeah i think it's interesting how

1440
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:14,160
people find their ways to this

1441
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,160
i think people have different um sort of

1442
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:18,319
stimuli and impetus to get into this

1443
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:19,920
whole into this kind of interest this

1444
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:20,720
subject

1445
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,400
uh some people it does take their own

1446
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:24,160
sighting and and sometimes it takes

1447
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:26,079
something which is incredibly weird

1448
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:27,920
uh you know incredibly intriguing and

1449
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:30,400
frustrating even that they have a need

1450
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:32,160
to try and work out what they saw

1451
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:35,280
or why they saw it sometimes as well um

1452
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:37,040
whereas other people it's because they

1453
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:38,800
have a like a childhood interest

1454
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,480
they might have read books or should

1455
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:42,240
have been shown documentaries or they

1456
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:43,520
might have seen something on tv

1457
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:45,119
or maybe the one that one of their

1458
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:47,040
parents or relatives saw something

1459
00:49:51,030 --> 00:49:49,280
and they hear stories in my case it was

1460
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:51,040
just literally reading a book

1461
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:52,960
uh that got me started when i was about

1462
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:54,240
eight or nine year old

1463
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:56,160
but and that was something else i i have

1464
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:57,839
trouble trying to reconcile this

1465
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:59,280
because i was clearly interested at the

1466
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:00,880
time um why

1467
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:03,520
did weiner didn't affect me more and you

1468
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:04,640
know i've

1469
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:06,079
it's been put back in the back of my

1470
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:08,000
mind for years it's only recently since

1471
00:50:10,309 --> 00:50:09,520
i've started like doing a bit more kind

1472
00:50:11,910 --> 00:50:10,319
of full-time

1473
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,920
sort of research i mean writing this

1474
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:13,520
book about the foo fighters for instance

1475
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,040
that i've i've had a bit time to think

1476
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:17,280
about you know why didn't it sort of

1477
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,960
affect me more wide and strike me more

1478
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:20,640
as being really odd why didn't i do

1479
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:22,480
something about it like to tell somebody

1480
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:23,839
and i think i told my parents at the

1481
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:25,520
time i can't even remember that

1482
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:28,400
yeah to be fair um and my parents aren't

1483
00:50:33,190 --> 00:50:29,839
around anymore i can't ask them that

1484
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:33,200
they're both passed away but um you know

1485
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:35,520
it's just weird how it didn't sort of

1486
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:37,440
you know become an all-consuming passion

1487
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:39,440
afterwards to really look into things

1488
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:40,960
but then again it might be just the time

1489
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:42,960
of my life i mean this was what not the

1490
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:44,240
late 1970s

1491
00:50:48,069 --> 00:50:45,920
it was pre-internet day so you had you

1492
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:48,079
only had a local library to look at ufo

1493
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:48,720
books

1494
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:52,079
um i wasn't aware of uh ufo magazines or

1495
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:53,760
subscription newsletters back in those

1496
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:54,480
days

1497
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:56,800
so i had no i had nobody to go to with a

1498
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:58,400
story you know in order to take it

1499
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:58,880
forward

1500
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:00,800
be on the local papers but even that

1501
00:51:04,710 --> 00:51:03,119
early age i knew that was ridiculed for

1502
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:04,720
for people who had their stories in the

1503
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:05,520
newspapers

1504
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:07,359
or who all went on television to talk

1505
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:08,800
about this kind of thing so probably it

1506
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:09,839
was probably just a self-defense

1507
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:11,520
mechanism mechanism that just kept quiet

1508
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:12,960
about it you know so

1509
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:15,760
yeah like so many people and it's even

1510
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:17,119
you know sometimes i

1511
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:20,319
i forget about this but even if it's not

1512
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:20,960
obvious

1513
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:23,760
that you know it's changed the course of

1514
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:24,160
your

1515
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:26,160
life forever whatever it doesn't mean it

1516
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:27,280
hasn't it could

1517
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:30,160
even just nudge you in subtle ways you

1518
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:31,520
don't even know

1519
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:34,640
you know because you saw that thing you

1520
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:36,319
know whatever it is

1521
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,079
yeah i think it made us much more

1522
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:40,079
open-minded that was for sure

1523
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:43,680
to a lot of things um and you do have

1524
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:44,640
i suppose you do have that kind of

1525
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:46,000
realization that you know there's

1526
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:47,040
something to this

1527
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:48,800
it's not just like you know some some

1528
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:50,480
cranks writing some books

1529
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:52,000
um you know because there's always that

1530
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:53,119
kind of thing in the back in mind when

1531
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:54,240
you don't have an experience you don't

1532
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:54,800
have any

1533
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:57,200
real frame of reference um or you don't

1534
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:58,800
know anybody who has

1535
00:52:02,790 --> 00:52:00,559
you're just reading stuff in books

1536
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:02,800
especially as a kid um

1537
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:04,720
i was like a sponge and to a certain

1538
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:06,480
extent things are red i believed

1539
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:08,000
you know unless somebody came in

1540
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:09,760
long-term told me otherwise it wasn't a

1541
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,359
book it must have been true

1542
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:13,680
uh but as time went on i realized that

1543
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:15,839
this particular subject

1544
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:18,160
was wasn't quite the same was like just

1545
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:19,920
reading an encyclopedia or a history

1546
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:20,559
book

1547
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:22,319
you know these things were were

1548
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:23,920
subjective um

1549
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:25,440
a lot of it couldn't be proven it was

1550
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:27,280
like single k you know witnesses were

1551
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:27,839
single

1552
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:30,880
it was just a word

1553
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:32,480
you know you know just taking people's

1554
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,240
word for it um so

1555
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:36,720
it was it was much different that this

1556
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:37,920
subject than everything else i was

1557
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:38,960
interested in

1558
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:40,880
um which could be backed up with facts

1559
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:42,720
or documentation and all the rest of it

1560
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:44,960
this is a bit more difficult um so i

1561
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:46,000
think that that that

1562
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:47,680
can be some of the problems where people

1563
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:49,440
have a hard time getting into it

1564
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:51,760
because it's not so easy and you don't

1565
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:53,119
have to make a bit of a leap don't you

1566
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:54,240
every so often just

1567
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:56,079
to get past that kind of lack of

1568
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:57,520
evidence or that lack of

1569
00:53:00,950 --> 00:53:00,240
testimony or that just you know well

1570
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:00,960
yeah just

1571
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:05,040
just those gaps in knowledge i love

1572
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:08,400
uh video games you can't win

1573
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:12,079
you know yeah the challenge is

1574
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:15,440
they're all like stuff yeah uh well

1575
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:18,400
you know just the the open-endedness of

1576
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:19,040
it all

1577
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:22,720
um you know i i just like challenges

1578
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:25,040
like that i see i i want to try to climb

1579
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:25,599
it not

1580
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:27,520
that literally because i'm extremely out

1581
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:30,960
of shape but figuratively speaking

1582
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:33,040
um megan's got another question thanks

1583
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:34,079
megan by the way

1584
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:36,960
for the the five bucks you are so nice

1585
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:37,520
we have

1586
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:41,200
74 people in here very grateful first of

1587
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:42,319
all um

1588
00:53:49,349 --> 00:53:45,839
if anything you could do to share this

1589
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:49,359
uh subscribe to my channel um

1590
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:51,680
like me on twitter all that kind of

1591
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:52,880
stuff that would be great

1592
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:56,000
um i really can't get more eyes on this

1593
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:58,480
stuff without help from other people's

1594
00:54:02,390 --> 00:53:59,280
and i'm not

1595
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:02,400
bs in you that's the truth so if you

1596
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:04,480
want more people to see this

1597
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:08,160
help me share it um and

1598
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:11,440
the money is awesome um two

1599
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:14,800
so whatever you want to do um

1600
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:17,200
but you know sharing and getting this

1601
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:18,960
out there and spreading the word is most

1602
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:20,240
important to me

1603
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:22,800
um here's a question from megan do you

1604
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:23,520
think

1605
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:27,680
other countries do

1606
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:30,400
and are they hoarding the remains or

1607
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:32,480
sharing ps i like this stream

1608
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:35,599
yeah i mean great question i would

1609
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:37,520
have to assume with some countries at

1610
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:40,079
least they would try and hoard them

1611
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:41,839
yeah me too as well i mean if you look

1612
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:43,680
at the history of um you know ufo

1613
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:44,640
instance through

1614
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:46,640
from the 1940s onwards and not just

1615
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:48,799
roswell uh there have been reports of

1616
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:49,920
ones beforehand

1617
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:51,680
in the 1930s and fought in the early

1618
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:52,960
1940s

1619
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:55,280
then you would like to think that maybe

1620
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,839
at least one or two of those stories

1621
00:55:00,870 --> 00:54:59,680
you know were correct and you can pick

1622
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,880
which ones you know you can pick which

1623
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:02,640
ones are your personal favorites

1624
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:06,000
so if that's the case then the u.s

1625
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:07,920
uh i get under the countries of the men

1626
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:10,240
but the us possibly has

1627
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:11,760
at least one or two craft in its

1628
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:14,240
possession and you keep hearing stories

1629
00:55:18,829 --> 00:55:16,799
to this day about uh you know what they

1630
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:18,839
have or where they might have these

1631
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:20,000
things um

1632
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:22,160
you know so and you hear that even you

1633
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:23,680
know even more recently

1634
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:25,839
so i'd like to think there is something

1635
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:28,079
now i go back to my old my

1636
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:30,160
and i've said this before on on to other

1637
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:31,280
people that

1638
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:33,119
just because they have something doesn't

1639
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:34,720
say they're flying around in them

1640
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:36,240
because they might have something hidden

1641
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:38,160
away somewhere uh you know squirreled

1642
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:39,520
away that they don't even know what

1643
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:40,400
they're looking at

1644
00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:41,680
so just because they had something

1645
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:42,559
doesn't mean you say they can do

1646
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:43,599
anything with it

1647
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:45,839
um it's the old that you know you use

1648
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:48,160
now analogies before i'll use one um

1649
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:49,760
it's like giving size like newton

1650
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:53,920
uh an iphone 12. with a power up with it

1651
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:55,599
with an exhaustive battery and say right

1652
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:57,119
you know there you go isaac you know see

1653
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:58,319
what you can make all that

1654
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:01,440
yeah so just because they have something

1655
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:02,640
doesn't mean to say they know they know

1656
00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:04,079
anything about it they might not even be

1657
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:04,960
able to get into it

1658
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:06,960
you know inside it never let you know

1659
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:08,319
let alone fly it

1660
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:09,920
it might be a case of it's completely

1661
00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:12,880
and utterly alien just to to use a pun

1662
00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:15,920
you know yeah so so let's say fragments

1663
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:18,559
like they had something in 1947

1664
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:20,240
and they looked at it and they've got no

1665
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:21,599
idea what it is

1666
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:23,760
how to get into it how to operate it how

1667
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:25,680
to fly it how to feel it

1668
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:28,400
how to maintain it if it goes wrong and

1669
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:30,319
then so they just put it away

1670
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:31,920
and think okay we'll have to wait until

1671
00:56:35,589 --> 00:56:33,920
our technology our knowledge

1672
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:35,599
our physics improve to the point of

1673
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:37,520
where we can look at it again

1674
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:39,040
so maybe they go back to it five years

1675
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:41,760
later and go through that same checklist

1676
00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:43,119
and then decide okay we're still not

1677
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:44,240
left you know we're still not at this

1678
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:44,960
level yet

1679
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:46,319
and then they just keep doing that every

1680
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:48,000
so often and they might still be doing

1681
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:49,119
that kind of thing today

1682
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:50,319
if they have something squirreled away

1683
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:52,319
somewhere in s4 whatever they call

1684
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:53,440
you know whether they have these

1685
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:55,760
machines or a machine then they just

1686
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:56,640
keep going back

1687
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:58,720
every few years and seeing whether they

1688
00:57:02,150 --> 00:57:00,400
understand what's going on

1689
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:02,160
um because you'd like to think if

1690
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:03,760
they're tinkering with something that

1691
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:06,079
you know could be could be potentially

1692
00:57:08,309 --> 00:57:06,960
dangerous

1693
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:08,319
they're probably not going to take many

1694
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:10,319
chances with it either um so it might be

1695
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:11,920
just a case of that they just skirt

1696
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:13,280
around it until they actually know what

1697
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:14,160
they're looking at

1698
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:16,160
now that that's to say the americans are

1699
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:17,440
doing that

1700
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:19,760
do the russians have them well bear in

1701
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:21,599
mind the spread of ufo reports around

1702
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:22,319
the world

1703
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:24,640
it's not just confined to america or

1704
00:57:27,829 --> 00:57:25,760
britain

1705
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:27,839
because we just happen to be the english

1706
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:29,280
language speaking countries

1707
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:30,400
and that's where the majority of the

1708
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:31,760
reports come out of that's where the

1709
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:33,200
books come from don't they

1710
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:36,240
whereas you and i know

1711
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:37,599
you and i know that there's french

1712
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:38,960
language publications as russian

1713
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,480
language publications

1714
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:42,480
and you know spanish ones so you know

1715
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:44,240
that there's these things that happen in

1716
00:57:47,270 --> 00:57:45,760
the likes of south america which is

1717
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:47,280
quite a you know brazil would be quite a

1718
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:50,240
big hot spot for things

1719
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:55,910
uh i blow hot and cold over uh over bob

1720
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:56,720
lazar

1721
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:58,640
depending on which day of the week it is

1722
00:58:01,750 --> 00:57:59,839
um yeah

1723
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:01,760
here's a here's a little story here's a

1724
00:58:05,349 --> 00:58:02,960
little story for you

1725
00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:05,359
so i don't you probably you won't really

1726
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:08,160
remember that back in the 1990s uh there

1727
00:58:10,069 --> 00:58:09,760
was a researcher called glenn campbell

1728
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:10,079
who

1729
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:12,480
used to basically live at um at rachel

1730
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:13,119
uh

1731
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:15,680
in in in nevada in the little trailer

1732
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:16,160
town

1733
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:18,559
uh on the edge of area 51 and he used to

1734
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:20,319
do a newsletter on

1735
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:22,799
um for back in the days with dial-up

1736
00:58:26,309 --> 00:58:24,000
connections for internet

1737
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:26,319
and it was called the desert rat and

1738
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:27,760
that's where a lot of the information

1739
00:58:31,190 --> 00:58:30,240
about area 51 came out of a long time

1740
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:31,200
ago not just

1741
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:33,280
george knapp obviously he broke the

1742
00:58:37,030 --> 00:58:34,720
story about george

1743
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:37,040
about bob lazar but all the other stuff

1744
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:38,480
that got dug up at that time

1745
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:40,480
a lot of it came out of um via glenn

1746
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:42,480
campbell's newsletter or at least

1747
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:43,920
to me it did because that's why i got a

1748
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:46,000
lot of the original details about area

1749
00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:46,880
51 about

1750
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:48,799
you know how there was a big land grab

1751
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:50,880
after a while to restrict access to the

1752
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:51,680
place and all this

1753
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:53,920
this kind of thing um yeah because

1754
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:55,119
originally at one po

1755
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:56,400
one time you could get on top of

1756
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:58,799
mountaintops which you almost overlooked

1757
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:59,599
the place

1758
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:01,040
and then the american government did a

1759
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:03,119
big land grab and basically restricted

1760
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:04,640
access to a huge area

1761
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:06,160
um so all this information was back in

1762
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:08,000
the 1990s and i'm sure some of your

1763
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:09,520
audience and people out you know further

1764
00:59:12,309 --> 00:59:09,920
out

1765
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:12,319
in in ufo land will will will have read

1766
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:14,000
this uh this series of

1767
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:17,280
new newsletters so back in those days

1768
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:18,000
when the first

1769
00:59:21,829 --> 00:59:20,000
information came out bob lazar about bob

1770
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:21,839
lazar and it started appearing in the

1771
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:23,760
first books i was reading about him

1772
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:26,720
then it's very exciting and it was well

1773
00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:28,079
yes this could be true

1774
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:29,920
because there was no other you know it

1775
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:32,079
was just it was basically his word

1776
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:34,000
but it was intriguing and it had that

1777
00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:35,680
kind of little bit of a ring of truth

1778
00:59:38,549 --> 00:59:36,559
about it

1779
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:38,559
and then of course as time went on there

1780
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:39,920
was people came up with well

1781
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:42,079
he's never been to mit or he doesn't

1782
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:43,680
have the qualifications he says he has

1783
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:44,240
always

1784
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:46,240
he's you know he's making this bit of

1785
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:47,839
all that bit up and there's been a

1786
00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:49,200
little bit of kind of

1787
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:50,960
you know information to muddy the water

1788
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,240
sort of thing um

1789
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:54,240
and you get the point where some days

1790
00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:56,160
you know you you just think yeah

1791
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:57,520
you might have and there's some element

1792
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:59,280
of truth to this and other times you

1793
01:00:03,430 --> 01:00:00,640
think um

1794
01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:03,440
no you know so i don't i to tell you i

1795
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:03,920
don't know

1796
01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:06,960
exactly like this yeah yeah exactly i

1797
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:09,040
don't know what to believe at this point

1798
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:12,240
i believe i believe in george knapp

1799
01:00:15,430 --> 01:00:14,000
yeah believe in what he says i believe

1800
01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:15,440
he believes in

1801
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:18,000
in bob lazar and what he says so you

1802
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:19,760
know i've got that to hang on to

1803
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:22,559
but as for the overall story that he

1804
01:00:27,030 --> 01:00:24,480
tells i just don't know

1805
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:27,040
you know i i i wouldn't like to bet any

1806
01:00:29,750 --> 01:00:28,000
money on it

1807
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:29,760
um you know you could be somebody who's

1808
01:00:32,549 --> 01:00:31,920
incredibly clever in terms of making up

1809
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:32,559
the story

1810
01:00:36,069 --> 01:00:34,079
and there's just enough elements which

1811
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:36,079
are true and the rest of it's just all

1812
01:00:38,470 --> 01:00:36,960
made up

1813
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:38,480
um but because he might have worked

1814
01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:40,240
there in some kind of very low level

1815
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:40,799
sense

1816
01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:42,240
you might have to be able you know to

1817
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:44,000
tell you about things which you couldn't

1818
01:00:47,510 --> 01:00:45,839
disprove but it sounds really good

1819
01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:47,520
and he might have been to mit for

1820
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:48,960
certain classes but not being there

1821
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:49,680
properly

1822
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:52,720
you know so that you know you hide lies

1823
01:00:56,150 --> 01:00:53,680
between truths

1824
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:56,160
you know so but on the other hand it's

1825
01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:57,359
so

1826
01:01:01,109 --> 01:00:59,119
implausible that it could be plausible

1827
01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:01,119
it could be true so you know who knows

1828
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:02,160
who knows

1829
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:04,079
yeah go back to your question yeah go

1830
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:05,200
back to your question before so i just

1831
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:06,480
want to finish uh megan's question if

1832
01:01:09,990 --> 01:01:07,280
you don't mind

1833
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:10,000
um oh yeah yeah i would have thought the

1834
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:11,599
russians and the chinese

1835
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:13,200
if they have been having like kind of

1836
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:15,200
crashes or landings

1837
01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:16,559
you'd like to think they probably have

1838
01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:18,160
them as well as the americans if that's

1839
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:18,880
the case

1840
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:20,960
yeah um you know i don't think the brits

1841
01:01:23,910 --> 01:01:22,160
have any um

1842
01:01:25,510 --> 01:01:23,920
i don't think we've had cases where

1843
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:25,520
there's been any i think

1844
01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:26,880
you know i know there's been stories

1845
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:28,880
about crashes in the uk but i don't

1846
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:29,839
think we're that

1847
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:31,680
far advanced in terms of being able to

1848
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:33,440
do that um

1849
01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:35,520
i think that there's very few places in

1850
01:01:38,309 --> 01:01:37,040
the uk that could successfully hide

1851
01:01:40,630 --> 01:01:38,319
something like that without

1852
01:01:42,309 --> 01:01:40,640
you know people getting wise to it but

1853
01:01:44,069 --> 01:01:42,319
that that might be wrong as well but i

1854
01:01:46,069 --> 01:01:44,079
i think yeah just places in america and

1855
01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:46,079
russia you could easily hide stuff like

1856
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:47,920
that quite and even in china in the far

1857
01:01:51,910 --> 01:01:49,119
northwest of china

1858
01:01:52,710 --> 01:01:51,920
quite quite quite easily yeah we do see

1859
01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:52,720
when we

1860
01:01:56,950 --> 01:01:55,359
do our research we do run into documents

1861
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:56,960
that

1862
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:00,720
you know something crashed in congo

1863
01:02:07,510 --> 01:02:04,960
sweden you name it belgium you know

1864
01:02:10,150 --> 01:02:07,520
well different different places yeah so

1865
01:02:13,029 --> 01:02:10,160
and you also think that you know

1866
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:13,039
back in the cold war when maybe not just

1867
01:02:17,029 --> 01:02:14,880
america or russia but they had lots of

1868
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:17,039
uh you know client states throughout the

1869
01:02:20,789 --> 01:02:18,480
world i mean effectively the

1870
01:02:22,710 --> 01:02:20,799
cold war was being fought by proxy uh

1871
01:02:24,549 --> 01:02:22,720
across africa and south america

1872
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:24,559
and the far east so you'd like to think

1873
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:25,760
a lot of these other countries will

1874
01:02:27,910 --> 01:02:27,119
probably you know holla for the russians

1875
01:02:29,190 --> 01:02:27,920
or the chinese

1876
01:02:31,589 --> 01:02:29,200
or sorry for the russians or the

1877
01:02:32,789 --> 01:02:31,599
americans when if something came down

1878
01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:32,799
and they weren't sure what the hell they

1879
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:34,720
were looking at so you'd like to think

1880
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,920
if that was the case then possibly the

1881
01:02:39,430 --> 01:02:37,680
americans or the russians got a hold of

1882
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:39,440
some kind of you know

1883
01:02:43,510 --> 01:02:42,240
et technology that way yeah or you know

1884
01:02:47,109 --> 01:02:43,520
kind of foreign technology

1885
01:02:48,789 --> 01:02:47,119
let's call it that well uh we are past

1886
01:02:52,230 --> 01:02:48,799
our bedtime with you graham

1887
01:02:55,270 --> 01:02:52,240
uh we are hour and two so um

1888
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:55,280
i appreciate you stopping by um i know

1889
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:56,079
it won't be

1890
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:59,200
the last time that's for sure

1891
01:03:02,870 --> 01:03:01,440
i look forward to invitation yeah thanks

1892
01:03:03,349 --> 01:03:02,880
for the invitation sean you take care of

1893
01:03:05,029 --> 01:03:03,359
yourself

1894
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:05,039
yeah you're a great guy great person

1895
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:06,799
love having you on so you're welcome

1896
01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:08,480
thank you very much all right thanks

1897
01:03:15,829 --> 01:03:10,640
very much take care

1898
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:15,839
um yeah go see graham he's at border 750

1899
01:03:21,029 --> 01:03:18,880
twitter and you can also uh we didn't

1900
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:21,039
touch on it but he wrote a really great

1901
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:22,240
article

1902
01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:24,640
in uh the shadows of your mind magazine

1903
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:27,200
um so you can check that out

1904
01:03:34,630 --> 01:03:30,720
um great writer fantastic writer um

1905
01:03:35,029 --> 01:03:34,640
and you know he's a bit intelligent as

1906
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:35,039
well

1907
01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:39,520
isn't he so uh i love having them

1908
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:42,720
so you guys you guys

1909
01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:46,000
are pretty cool i like having you around

1910
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:51,280
um so thanks for coming we have

1911
01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:54,000
nothing really else on the docket for

1912
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:54,960
the day

1913
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:56,880
but we do have a show tomorrow uh same

1914
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:58,880
time one o'clock and we do have dave

1915
01:04:02,069 --> 01:03:59,760
partridge

1916
01:04:02,789 --> 01:04:02,079
uh from shadows of your mind magazine

1917
01:04:05,190 --> 01:04:02,799
coming

1918
01:04:07,349 --> 01:04:05,200
but he's not gonna be until a little

1919
01:04:08,230 --> 01:04:07,359
later so i'm gonna keep my same time at

1920
01:04:11,270 --> 01:04:08,240
one

1921
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:11,280
and i'm gonna do another show um after

1922
01:04:15,270 --> 01:04:12,640
that with dave

1923
01:04:16,230 --> 01:04:15,280
so tomorrow we will do our doc of the

1924
01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:16,240
day

1925
01:04:22,309 --> 01:04:19,520
we will do what the heck is that

1926
01:04:24,309 --> 01:04:22,319
um and all that kind of fun stuff and i

1927
01:04:24,829 --> 01:04:24,319
have a really good doc of the day that

1928
01:04:28,549 --> 01:04:24,839
i'm

1929
01:04:30,549 --> 01:04:28,559
saving for just you and i

1930
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:30,559
you know because it's going to be one of

1931
01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:32,730
those special docs

1932
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:34,000
[Music]

1933
01:04:38,829 --> 01:04:36,880
so oh the hat thank you yes i wear that

1934
01:04:41,349 --> 01:04:38,839
i like that

1935
01:04:43,510 --> 01:04:41,359
because i don't know

1936
01:04:44,470 --> 01:04:43,520
ever since coronavirus i haven't yet

1937
01:04:47,589 --> 01:04:44,480
been able to have a

1938
01:04:49,349 --> 01:04:47,599
great haircut so usually because i tried

1939
01:04:50,470 --> 01:04:49,359
to do it myself and you know that's just

1940
01:04:53,829 --> 01:04:50,480
not a good idea

1941
01:04:54,309 --> 01:04:53,839
but so thanks guys anything you could do

1942
01:04:57,670 --> 01:04:54,319
to share

1943
01:04:59,589 --> 01:04:57,680
like subscribe get this out there um

1944
01:05:01,349 --> 01:04:59,599
but yeah love you guys thanks so much

1945
01:05:02,390 --> 01:05:01,359
for coming by and hanging out and

1946
01:05:05,190 --> 01:05:02,400
chatting

1947
01:05:07,510 --> 01:05:05,200
i really do appreciate it and uh you're

1948
01:05:11,349 --> 01:05:07,520
spending your time here with me

1949
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:11,359
it does mean a lot so um

1950
01:05:19,029 --> 01:05:15,119
every day at one o'clock

1951
01:05:22,069 --> 01:05:19,039
i will never never

1952
01:05:27,829 --> 01:05:22,079
never not show up

1953
01:05:27,839 --> 01:05:31,670
all right i will

1954
01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:35,029
um i guess

1955
01:05:47,589 --> 01:05:38,400
i'll just see you later

1956
01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:58,630
i'm witness citizen

1957
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:09,430
witness citizen

1958
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:34,789
i'm stuck i can't get out

1959
01:06:40,789 --> 01:06:38,160
so it's like a purgatory

1960
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:40,799
apparently i know i did want to answer

1961
01:06:47,589 --> 01:06:43,680
one question i forgot it was from jay

1962
01:06:52,870 --> 01:06:47,599
uh jay asked me if my sighting

1963
01:06:56,390 --> 01:06:52,880
um affected my views on religion at all

1964
01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:00,309
i was never ever

1965
01:07:06,109 --> 01:07:03,920
a fan of religions

1966
01:07:08,069 --> 01:07:06,119
and when i say that i mean the

1967
01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:08,079
ritualistic

1968
01:07:13,270 --> 01:07:11,440
catholicism religion that's the only one

1969
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:13,280
i can really speak on because the others

1970
01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:14,880
i don't have

1971
01:07:19,510 --> 01:07:16,720
i haven't studied them i haven't

1972
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:19,520
experienced them i don't know

1973
01:07:24,789 --> 01:07:22,559
but catholicism to me

1974
01:07:27,430 --> 01:07:24,799
has always been about nothing but

1975
01:07:35,829 --> 01:07:31,190
um if you go to the fatima story

1976
01:07:38,549 --> 01:07:35,839
in portugal which is a beautiful story

1977
01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:38,559
that they took and made into this big

1978
01:07:42,309 --> 01:07:40,000
catholic thing

1979
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:42,319
so they can further have control and

1980
01:07:46,470 --> 01:07:44,000
make you do their rosemaries

1981
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:46,480
you know and i i'm sorry but i just

1982
01:07:50,789 --> 01:07:47,760
think that is crap

1983
01:07:51,029 --> 01:07:50,799
i'm not gonna hate somebody who follows

1984
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:51,039
it

1985
01:07:58,230 --> 01:07:56,000
inappropriate ways

1986
01:07:59,670 --> 01:07:58,240
just this is my one thing i have to say

1987
01:08:04,710 --> 01:07:59,680
on that

1988
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:04,720
as far as faith spirituality

1989
01:08:11,670 --> 01:08:08,880
it is almost furthered

1990
01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:11,680
furthered my belief in in the

1991
01:08:17,189 --> 01:08:13,119
possibilities

1992
01:08:21,669 --> 01:08:17,199
of what faith is in being spiritual

1993
01:08:24,789 --> 01:08:21,679
and praying and meditating um

1994
01:08:28,390 --> 01:08:24,799
i still talk to jesus christ

1995
01:08:30,630 --> 01:08:28,400
you know i don't know if that's the

1996
01:08:34,390 --> 01:08:30,640
person

1997
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:34,400
you know i think it's just meditation

1998
01:08:39,510 --> 01:08:35,520
really to be honest

1999
01:08:42,709 --> 01:08:39,520
in reaching out to the universe so

2000
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:42,719
and whatever you know

2001
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:45,279
is there that really syncs us all up

2002
01:08:49,110 --> 01:08:46,799
together

2003
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:49,120
you know whatever's on the side of

2004
01:08:52,470 --> 01:08:51,199
integrity that's that's what i'm talking

2005
01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:52,480
to

2006
01:08:58,070 --> 01:08:56,239
and i don't know you know what it is but

2007
01:09:02,709 --> 01:08:58,080
i do know

2008
01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:02,719
that it helps and so that's why i do it

2009
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:05,279
uh mentally emotionally and sometimes in

2010
01:09:09,749 --> 01:09:06,640
the real world

2011
01:09:12,149 --> 01:09:09,759
i've had things happen

2012
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:12,159
that you know if you were to ask me i

2013
01:09:19,969 --> 01:09:15,920
would say that was a freaking miracle

2014
01:09:21,749 --> 01:09:19,979
um so yeah just wanted to

2015
01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:21,759
[Music]

2016
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:28,470
find your faith find your spirituality

2017
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:30,400
but you know find it inside

2018
01:09:34,149 --> 01:09:33,600
and go your way you know and just be

2019
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:34,159
open

2020
01:09:37,829 --> 01:09:36,480
honest and do it with integrity and

2021
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:37,839
you'll find a path

2022
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:44,070
you're best suited for

2023
01:09:49,430 --> 01:09:47,590
and it may not be the same for everyone

2024
01:09:51,110 --> 01:09:49,440
you know everyone's different and unique